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Do aliens and UFOs exist? (Two choices which you can change.)

Aliens do exist (over 70% sure). (UFOs are manned and are not just robotic drones.)
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18%
Aliens don't exist.
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24%
I'm not sure about aliens.
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UFOs are alien-made (over 90% sure).
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UFOs are man-made.
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18%
I'm not sure about UFOs.
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12%
 
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John-B wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:36 am
His photo of an alien looks as if it could be genuine but his other comments seem very unlikely, like the fact that he communicated with aliens by asking a question and they replied by giving him a reply in English telepathically in his own voice in his mind! It would be simpler to have a loudspeaker in their mouth. Crucially, he doesn't say whether they are biological, hybrid or robots. Do the mouth and nose actually work?

He also knew they came from Quintumnia, 68,000 light years away. According to Boyd Bushman, the journey to Earth only takes about 45 minutes. I would have thought that it would either take 68,000 years at the speed of light or be instantaneous via a worm hole. Why 45 minutes?
In this "Rationalwiki" on Bushman https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Boyd_Bushman they say that "one of Bushman's photos purporting to be of a real alien is indistinguishable from an alien action figure doll once sold at places like Walmart." There was a clever chap employed at the same place I worked in the 80's, he had some good skills, but he was a stoner, got the nick-name catweasel (because he looked like catweasel). Other than looking like catweasel, his mannerisms were like Bushman's in that video (although "catweasel", like catweasel, was skinny).

You're dead-right on that 68,000 light years. I've just googled "light years to miles conversion" and it equates to ~4 x 1017
That's 400,000,000,000,000,000 miles away - in 45 minutes ?
Also, using this warp-factor calculator https://www.st-minutiae.com/resources/warp/index.html 45 minutes to travel 68,000 light years gives warp factor 926.3

Did he actually know he was dying when that video was made ? And what was he dying of ? Wrong mushrooms ?

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Should it not be 42 minutes to travel 68,00 light years, as in 'the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything' (attributed to Douglas Adams)? Taking "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe" as our reference, of course.

it's probably nothing to do with aliens or David Icke and his lizards, but 42 is definitely a VERY interesting number, just look it up in Wiki. IIRC 42 minutes is calculated to be the fastest way to travel between continents, being the time that it would take to travel all the way through a straight tunnel drilled right through the earth, allowing for the acceleration of a body falling into the hole towards the centre of the planet, followed by the deceleration travelling away from the centre towards the other end of the tunnel. I assume that the start and finishing points of the hole on the earth's surface are taken to be at sea level on dry land, assuming that suitable dry land can be found somewhere on opposite sides of the earth for the two ends of the tunnel. And not considering the physical difficulties of establishing a tunnel through a ball of very hot molten iron the size of the planet Mars, such as is said to exist inside the Earth.

Just a thought.

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Haven't you heard of the "Hollow Earth" theory? There are aliens in there to wave as you go by. :D
Eagle comic, 1950s, Strange very thin creatures clad in crystal protective suits on Mercury threw Dan Dare and his mates down a tube which took them right through Mercury to emerge unhurt the other side. They then realised the aliens were friendly and saving them from the Mekon and Treens, not trying to kill them.

Today's UFO Files TV was about crop circles where three men who had admitted making all the crop circles since 1976 were challenged to recreate one from a photo in oil seed rape. They did it in five hours and it was quite a good replica. However, when the scientists looked at it they found that stalks were crushed and broken instead of neatly bent over as found in most "real" crop circles. Also, the real ones have holes in the stalk joints caused by sudden intense heat and elongated lower stalk joints which are graduated in perfect progression between the stalks at the centre out to the normal joint length at the perimeter. This has been found all over the world and the men haven't achieved this effect or travelled abroad.

76 people have witnessed a strange ball or flash of light over a crop and seen a crop circle made in seconds before their eyes. There was a video of a melon sized ball of light flying over a tractor and the farmer later confirmed that he had seen it. It seems that some form of ball lightning with electro-magnetic force can create many crop circle shapes, complicated geometric patterns as well as numbers of circles with the crop flattened in a circular way.

Are aliens creating these light-balls? One crop circle has been proved as showing pi in crop lines in a circle which are different lengths with notches to show the place one number measurement changes to the next - to seven places of decimals. Others seem to show digital binary code, although a translation seemed a joke. The programme didn't say whether these were of human or unknown origin.

Other recent programmes showed actual photos of US military flying saucers which apparently flew and were escorted by jets, so I'm not yet convinced that aliens exist now, although I could believe they were here before the end of the ice age and made large settlements which have been found under the sea. Early humans then recorded myths describing them as Gods.

I'm not glued to the TV all day; I managed to take the Dart out in a sunny break in the weather when the roads were surprisingly dry after all the rain recently.

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I saw the above posts about 2 weeks ago and I did laugh quite a bit on the way out of the house.

I've been meaning to reply since, but just haven't had the spare couple of hours it's going to take to do the reply. But I might do soon-ish I hope (there's a quite a bit to interleave there).

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Some of the programmes verge on the ridiculous. Yesterday it was speculated that the moon is a hollow metal ball covered with a shallow covering of protective dust and rock because two US crash tests produced a ring like a gong and tremors which lasted for an hour. In which case, surely it would have far less mass and the tides would be far less?

The programme also speculated that the size and position of the moon means it was dragged there by aliens because its position means it precisely blocks the sun in an eclipse and also it's unnaturally large for its proximity to the Earth compared with other moons that have been found.

It was also speculated that the moon is older than the Earth. In any event, it's probably 4.5 billion years old or greater and meteorites have been making round or oval craters for a long time, but how would structures with rectangular shape be created except by aliens who may have been there billions of years ago, or more recently? There's a photograph of a group of obelisks 150 feet high and other rectangular structures that look like pyramids or large buildings. The first photo shows the shadows of the spires; the spires aren't very visible in the same way that you don't see a pea stick until it stabs you in the eye.

All good entertaining stuff, but scientists still have a job to do to explain these things.
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An example of how misleading some of these programmes are is another Blaze programme which showed photos of underwater cities which it said must have been constructed over ten thousand years ago during the ice age when sea levels were lower. One is under Fuxian Lake in China, but Wikipedia says that growths and molluscs on the stones have been dated no earlier that 350 AD and it probably slipped under the water during an earthquake! So much for aliens building cities in the remote past.

There's a lot of confusion over which flood is remembered in myths worldwide as there are several candidates. Some myths like the Bible refer to a deluge, ie heavy rain for forty days and nights, not a flood, so Mount Ararat and the ark weren't submerged by a flood but more likely by heavy rain. How caused? Possibly a huge meteorite.

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I've seen hundreds of representations of flying UFOs, all fake or artists impressions, but I found one that seems to be a real UFO in a photo found by Felix Ziegel (1920 - 1988). The UFO could be Russian, American or from any other nation or alien, who knows.
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John-B wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:34 pm Today's UFO Files TV was about crop circles where three men who had admitted making all the crop circles since 1976 were challenged to recreate one from a photo in oil seed rape. They did it in five hours and it was quite a good replica. However, when the scientists looked at it they found that stalks were crushed and broken instead of neatly bent over as found in most "real" crop circles. Also, the real ones have holes in the stalk joints caused by sudden intense heat and elongated lower stalk joints which are graduated in perfect progression between the stalks at the centre out to the normal joint length at the perimeter. This has been found all over the world and the men haven't achieved this effect or travelled abroad.
This is a re-hash of stuff on TV in the 90s, with info from other hoaxers omitted (Bower and Chorley were not the only active hoaxers).

What the other hoaxers said they'd started to do, was later replicated in the 2002 TV documentary "Crop Circles: Mysteries in the Fields" in which MIT Aerospace Engineering students were challenged to create a crop circle within four hours that duplicated the radiation, the presence of magnetite, and the bursting of the stalks. Summary - They designed and built several portable contraptions: a magnetron wave guide (a magnetron from a microwave oven), a ‘Flamschmeisser’ (a home-made water-pipe cannon, that shot iron powder through a ring of flame) so as to ‘spread iron molecules in the soil inside the crop circle’, and an incendiary bomb filled with iron powder. In just under four hours they created a 92 metre long pictogram consisting of a single plain circle joined by a straight line to a larger circle, 30.5 metres wide, containing a triangular diagram, (based on the shape of an MIT building). Their crop circle replicated the expulsion cavities in the stalks and the presence of high levels of magnetic iron particles, but not the radiation: however given that this was a first attempt by inexperienced amateurs two out of three of the markers of ‘genuine’ crop circles seems a reasonable result.
It's also worth reading this PDF
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Note also that Bower and Chorley, who in 13 years (from 1978 until 1991 when age and the efforts involved prompted their retirement) had made as many as 25–30 fake crop circles and other more complex formations every year, stated that when crop circle ‘experts’ started to expect ‘different things other than circles’ they switched to providing diagrams, and then in 1991, a pictogram. Widespread publicity inspired many imitators, and during many of their nocturnal activities in the later part of the 80s, Bower and Chorley began to see other hoaxers at work in other fields.

It seems that, while natural forces such as a "dust devil" (small whirlwind) created the occasional crop circle well before Bower and Chorley, because they were relatively uncommon with little newsworthiness, they were rarely reported until the 1970s and 1980s when the media were more willing to report any ‘strange’ phenomena, especially where there was a possible UFO connection. Then, once the circles became media features a self-perpetuating band of believers and a coterie of copyists developed, each seeking to outdo each other. Bower and Chorley said that they became increasingly disillusioned, for as Chorley stated in 1992 - people were having fun, we had lovely art forms in the fields with a hundred people ooing and ahing - but unintentionally they had spawned a major industry. Even worse, it provided the opportunity for a few clever individuals to appropriate the phenomena to their own advantage, and in doing so, to make a great deal of money out of what had been meant to be nothing more than a harmless prank.

John-B wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:34 pm 76 people have witnessed a strange ball or flash of light over a crop and seen a crop circle made in seconds before their eyes. There was a video of a melon sized ball of light flying over a tractor and the farmer later confirmed that he had seen it.
Makes me think of THIS mixed with THIS. The point is that people were making money out of this, tourism, pubs, hotels, even some farmers.

John-B wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:34 pm Are aliens creating these light-balls?
No it's the Avebury spirits - Avebury Stone Circle Orbs or "Visible Energy coming from the Earth" :roll: :roll:

John-B wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:34 pm One crop circle has been proved as showing pi in crop lines in a circle which are different lengths with notches to show the place one number measurement changes to the next - to seven places of decimals. Others seem to show digital binary code, although a translation seemed a joke. The programme didn't say whether these were of human or unknown origin.
Note that the pi crop circle was in a field near to Barbury Castle which is less than 5 miles from Avebury. The crop circle with the joke appeared beside Wilton Windmill (about 11 miles from Avebury) and had 12 segments, within each segment there were 8 partly concentric rings. Each of these segments indicated a binary code which in Ascii transposes into an approximation of Euler’s equation. The only problem was that in the equation, "i" (mathematical symbol for the square root of -1) was actually "hi".

So not all the hoaxers are CIDER DRINKERS who go out of the pub into a field with a plank and rope. Indeed, they now have to go to great lengths to plan and execute the pattern in order to get into the media.

A 2003 research paper found that Avebury is the epicentre for crop circles
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and concludes - Three factors have been identified in this paper as having a strong influence on the spatial distribution of crop circles in England: proximity to main roads, proximity to areas of medium to high population density, and proximity to significant heritage areas. The fact that reported crop circles are located in areas of high accessibility would seem to support the view that crop circles are part of a modern-day pilgrimage tradition, perhaps as British megaliths once were.
Full research paper in PDF
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John-B wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:34 pm I'm not glued to the TV all day; I managed to take the Dart out in a sunny break in the weather when the roads were surprisingly dry after all the rain recently.
However your posts are making me laugh, the downside is that my replies keep me glued to google and my keyboard for several hours

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John-B wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:33 am All good entertaining stuff, but scientists still have a job to do to explain these things.
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Those are zoomed images taken from low resolution pictures taken by satellites that orbited the moon in the 60's.

This is one of the complete frames taken by Lunar Orbiter 5 https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/luna ... rame/?5125
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and here is the area taken at double the resolution with a higher sun angle
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John-B wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:37 am I've seen hundreds of representations of flying UFOs, all fake or artists impressions, but I found one that seems to be a real UFO in a photo found by Felix Ziegel (1920 - 1988). The UFO could be Russian, American or from any other nation or alien, who knows.
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Either someone has photo-shopped a 5-pointed star out of that picture, or it's an upturned jelly fish impaled on a test tube

What about this one
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Fossil wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:24 pm Should it not be 42 minutes to travel 68,00 light years, as in 'the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything' (attributed to Douglas Adams)? Taking "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe" as our reference, of course.

it's probably nothing to do with aliens or David Icke and his lizards, but 42 is definitely a VERY interesting number, just look it up in Wiki. IIRC 42 minutes is calculated to be the fastest way to travel between continents, being the time that it would take to travel all the way through a straight tunnel drilled right through the earth, allowing for the acceleration of a body falling into the hole towards the centre of the planet, followed by the deceleration travelling away from the centre towards the other end of the tunnel. I assume that the start and finishing points of the hole on the earth's surface are taken to be at sea level on dry land, assuming that suitable dry land can be found somewhere on opposite sides of the earth for the two ends of the tunnel. And not considering the physical difficulties of establishing a tunnel through a ball of very hot molten iron the size of the planet Mars, such as is said to exist inside the Earth.

Just a thought.

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I eventually got round to looking that up in wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)#Science

The tube has to go right through the centre of the earth, the entry and exit points have to be diametrically opposite, and all the air has to be pumped out. I think you might be right about the sea level thing, for example, Nepal is diametrically opposite an area in the Pacific about 1500 miles west of Santiago, Chile. Peak speed at the centre of the earth would be almost 18,000 mph !! - so you'd have to hope that the capsule you were in didn't glance off the tube wall at that moment. Also, if there wasn't a catching mechanism at either end, the capsule would go back again, and again, and again, forever (assuming that air didn't slowly leak back into the tube, in which case you'd eventually end up stuck in the middle).

However, the calculation that gives 42 minutes travel time assumes uniform density of the earth, whereas someone else who took the earth's denser core into account, calculated 38 minutes travel time, not 42 :( https://www.livescience.com/50312-how-l ... earth.html

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