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WING MIRRORS

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Post by classiclife »

Hello,

Looking at the V8-250 parts catalogue it shows the wing mirror reference as C16114 which via the SNG Barratt website reveals this type: https://www.sngbarratt.com/uk/#!/Englis ... 4d142a3625

which I presume is correct for the car, as it is listed as such ??

That said my Daimler only having an O/S wing mirror, is different in shape - a straight & much longer arm with an oblong style mirror - compared to the link.

Is it the case that owners over the years fitted whatever was available or went via the personal choice route as to what he / she thought looked best ??

I will need to get a new mirror as mine has lost a lot of silvering - as such I'd rather buy a matching pair of stems & mirrors rather than trying to achieve a close as possible match. On a personal basis I also think the oblong shape mirror with a convex face gives a far better overview of the road / traffic to the rear.

Grateful for any information / views.

Thank you in advance.

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I believe most of the wing mirrors found on our cars were usually 'dealer fitted' items.. and commonly produced by 'Lucas' .. the one shown in the attachment from SNG Barratt was quite common in Uk in the early '60 to mid 1970s.. and was the more costly version of options for lucas brand mirrors.. more common was the type with a more triangulated base that sits on a moulded rubber washer and is secured by a 5/16" bolt.. these have always been my preference as the 'aftrmarket' copies tend to hold up far better then spring loaded ones that require a much larger hole .. they are very common in US market jaguar Mk2's and on earlier MGs such as the MGA, Triumph TR3-4 and the US market Daimler SP250 .. my reason for the preference is :- the spring loaded type require a much larger hole to fit (approx 3/4") and they tend to fail on the spiring loaded part.. the head and stem then comes off leaving just the base sitting through the wing.... The 'other' style, being much simpler, tend to stay in position, once set and tightened .. the main adjustment is with 3 small plated screws that hold mirror head to stem, is also easier to perform on the simpler, lesser priced item .. Im unsure if Barratt carry the 'alternative' type, but Moss Motors certainly do and they sell a good number of them.. Id post images, but my images stored in camera and downloaded to computer have too many pixels to unload on this site..and I dont have the knowledge to get beyond this problem.

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Thank you, that is useful information and much appreciated.

Perhaps, I can help you which may help me in return !!

The attached link is a photo reduction optimizer: http://www.imageoptimizer.net/Pages/Home.aspx

Very straight forward to use, I normally select either the very small file or minimum file size from the quality drop down box; this will reduce the size to below 1000KB.

If your pixels are still troublesome then you can reduce the width & height of the photo by placing new figures in to the boxes below the picture quality box; try 1000 x 800.

Hope the above assists and apologies if you already know this.

Regards.

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Further to my last, "Motoring Classics" has quite a comprehensive list of mirrors (2x pages) and may have the type you have eluded to.

https://www.motoringclassics.co.uk/clas ... ts/mirrors

Regards.

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I find the mirrors that fit to the window channels work very well. Original fitment in Minis I believe and very affordable.

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Thanks Simon, I did have those on another classic and as you say certainly do the job.

I'm in a corner on this as my Daimler already has 1x wing mirror fitted, so in order to "balance" the car I will have to get a wing mirror for the nearside. Just a case of looking at the choice of units at the moment and taking it from there. More than likely the best option, and much better in the long run, is to get a matching pair brand new.

All the best.

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So yes..the 'lucas style' wing mirrors on the 'motoring classics' site, which are handed are the ones I'm referring to.. they seem to hold up well..although the plating is not as good as the original Lucas items.. in most other aspects they are almost identical to the originals.. the original lucas ones were embossed with the lucas name on the portion that secures the mirror head.. I believe today they have been reproduced to have this detail correct. (they came plain for about 20 yrs) . I've tried several different designs of door mounted mirror over the years, and have yet to find one that holds up or is effective when the car is in motion as the mirrors tend to vibrate giving an unclear image....generally the weakness is in the way they mount.

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My 1964 Saloon did not have wing mirrors when bought new. I think that at that time most cars did not have wing mirrors fitted as standard although they were becoming popular as add-ons. The photograph of the Daimler V8 in the book Daimler Century does not have mirrors, nor do almost all the other cars shown. I did fit them some years latter, but removed them about 20 years ago as they were not original. The door mounted mirrors, which came in later, are more effective as they are nearer the driver and have a wider field of view. I have not attempted to fit them.

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Richard. Just a word of warning - which I have learned from others.
It is possible to fit a passenger side wing mirror at the position matching the one on the driver's side, only to find that it is exactly hidden from the driver's view by the interior mirror. Doh!

I use Tex mirror units which I have converted to mount on the door glass guide extensions. Tex use original tooling to produce stainless framed mirrors as available when the car was new.

I realise that use of door mirrors would be a distinctly second preference for you.
My own experience with door mirrors mounted on the window channels has been:
* As explained by Lionel, door mounting of mirrors works as well as wing mounting doesn't - if you want to see behind you.
* Yes, they do vibrate, although not too much to be useful. I think I can improve mine by stiffening the GRP where the channels are bolted to the door.
* Unlikely as it sounds, plain glass on the driver's side and convex on the passenger side works really well. I picked that up from modern cars made in Stuttgart. No, since it does not confuse me, it is very unlikely to confuse you.
* The neat, stainless, excellent value "clip on" door mirrors so widely used on SPs (mentioned by SimonP) are too narrow for me when mounted with the rectangle "up and down". The trouble is that only one eye at a time can see vehicles behind. Not great for rapid judgement of distance. Drivers equipped with proper (normal speed) brains may not be troubled in this way.
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Another rec for door clip-on mirrors. I bought one for the driver's side from David Manners but found that the reflection pointed away too far from the car so that I couldn't see along the side of the car to help reversing. A little bending with some pliers sorted that problem.

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