Morning all, can anyone tell me whether the dart was always positive earth out if the factory or did it change to negative during the production run?
I ask as I have a car that has no battery fitted and no markings on the terminals, plus the terminals are the same size so impossible to tell which way around the battery goes and I don’t want to cook any of the electrics.
Any pointers gratefully received.
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Dart polarity
Re: Dart polarity
The car dates from 1963, so I’m punting positive. Any one care to opine?
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Re: Dart polarity
The SP250 was positive earth throughout it's production run. The original battery terminals were polarity discriminated so if yours aren't a previous owner has changed them. If he's done that he may have altered the grounding polarity, so that needs checking. Connect the battery and turn the lights on but don't start the engine. If the ammeter shows a discharge you have the polarity correct. If it shows charge you need to reverse the battery connections.
Nick
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Re: Dart polarity
Hi Marcus,
it would almost certainly have been positive earth if it is unmodified. In real life, if the car has a dynamo fitted and no modern electronics, it doesn't really matter which polarity you wire it it will work fine. (With the possible exception of the windscreen washers if it has an original "burst wash" Lucas Screenjet motor still fitted - that can blow a fuse because a wire needs to stay with the "live" feed, but worry about that if it happens!)
I've "converted" a couple of cars to negative earth this way to make it easier (and safer) to use modern electronics via the cigarette lighter socket.
So I'd check it hasn't been converted to alternator instead of dynamo - in which case it needs to be negative earth anyway - and then use whichever polarity you prefer. If the car is still wired up, you could look at the coil connections - the "+" should go to the distributor if it's positive earth wired (in theory!)
Hope that helps,
John
ps- I was typing this when Nick posted. I honestly can't remember whether I changed over the ammeter connections or not when I changed the polarity - Nick may well have a simple solution!
it would almost certainly have been positive earth if it is unmodified. In real life, if the car has a dynamo fitted and no modern electronics, it doesn't really matter which polarity you wire it it will work fine. (With the possible exception of the windscreen washers if it has an original "burst wash" Lucas Screenjet motor still fitted - that can blow a fuse because a wire needs to stay with the "live" feed, but worry about that if it happens!)
I've "converted" a couple of cars to negative earth this way to make it easier (and safer) to use modern electronics via the cigarette lighter socket.
So I'd check it hasn't been converted to alternator instead of dynamo - in which case it needs to be negative earth anyway - and then use whichever polarity you prefer. If the car is still wired up, you could look at the coil connections - the "+" should go to the distributor if it's positive earth wired (in theory!)
Hope that helps,
John
ps- I was typing this when Nick posted. I honestly can't remember whether I changed over the ammeter connections or not when I changed the polarity - Nick may well have a simple solution!
John M in Middlesex, NW London
1962 SP250 "B" Spec
DLOC Herts Region Sec
1962 SP250 "B" Spec
DLOC Herts Region Sec
Re: Dart polarity
Thanks both, appreciate the quick response.
Re: Dart polarity
Unless it has electronic ignition it doesn't matter, most electronic ignitions are negative earth, also most radios since the 70's are also negative earth, check both.
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Re: Dart polarity
Thanks all, positive earth confirmed. Car is now running for first time since 1994!
More advice sought in next post.
More advice sought in next post.