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The car I have purchased was on eBay and it’s a partially restored A spec with a few bits missing.
The car body and chassis has been gone through and I have had a good look at them both and seem to be in great order – the chassis looks like new – and even has the original jacking points still in great condition – it has come from California and looks like it’s been in bits since 1999 – as I have a load of new bits in bags with this date on them- The good thing is I have loads of new bits and quite a lot of spares as well – 2 front bumpers – distributors- seal kits etc. etc. I have decided (unless I hit hard times) I will be keeping this for ever , so I will be converting it to rack- overdrive/5speed and put a servo on it.
I did do this to the last one and it quite interesting how things have changed with the internet and the help you can get–
The last one I used a Ford Escort rack with Triumph Aclaim bits – the gearbox, I was fortunate as I had an old 4 speed with overdrive Daimler 250 box and engine – so it was just a case of changing the back plate. And the servo came of a FX4 taxi and worked well.
Here are some pictures of it sat in the garage looking sorry for its self –

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marcmears
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Posted - 23 May 2013 : 10:13:52 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote Delete Reply

The new bulkhead came last night – looked quite thin in its gauge compared to the one that’s in – I may need to build it up – hope not, you would expect it to be right.
Ordered up the glass fibre for the repairs and then it all started getting a bit complicated – Polyester or epoxy resin? – I rang up a specialists and his view was that the car was made out of polyester resin so stay with that – use 300gm2 chop strand glass fibre and to tidy thing up use a surface tissue-
So that’s what I have ordered –
I was unsure but the more i think about it – it must be better to keep the same types of material’s as there could be a problem with the shear strength, best both be the same, no point in the epoxy ripping off the Polyester - I think?????
Does anyone have a different view, before I start the work?

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enen
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Posted - 24 May 2013 : 01:56:20 AM Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote

there are experienced fibreglass people here, but my 2 cents are:
Epoxy is more money but a better product and easy to work with. I used one with pumps for mixing. one pump from A, one From B and you have proper ratio
Stitchmat is a strong fibreglass mat. it has chopped mat bonded to roven. Can be bought 90 degree or 45degree. Alternate between the 2 and you have a very strong
fibreglass
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Posted - 24 May 2013 : 11:12:27 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote Delete Reply

Thanks - for the help

marc
quote:
Originally posted by enen

there are experienced fibreglass people here, but my 2 cents are:
Epoxy is more money but a better product and easy to work with. I used one with pumps for mixing. one pump from A, one From B and you have proper ratio
Stitchmat is a strong fibreglass mat. it has chopped mat bonded to roven. Can be bought 90 degree or 45degree. Alternate between the 2 and you have a very strong
fibreglass


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SteveW62
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quote:
Originally posted by marcmears

The new bulkhead came last night – looked quite thin in its gauge compared to the one that’s in – I may need to build it up ....



Hi Marc,
Welcome to the "Dart restoration" club ! You've found the right place for lots of help, inspiration & ideas.

I'm afraid I don't know which part you mean by "New Bulkhead". I can't see any missing fibreglass in the above pics. Do you mean the Gearbox tunnel cover ?


I have Zero experience of working with fibreglass, but when the guy doing my bodywork asked me, I specifically asked for "woven" matting to be used. We didn't discuss the resin type. I'll ask him.

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marcmears
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Hi - ive got a new bulkhead/firewall from D M - will put a picture up on the blog next week
quote:
Originally posted by SteveW62


quote:
Originally posted by marcmears

The new bulkhead came last night – looked quite thin in its gauge compared to the one that’s in – I may need to build it up ....



Hi Marc,
Welcome to the "Dart restoration" club ! You've found the right place for lots of help, inspiration & ideas.

I'm afraid I don't know which part you mean by "New Bulkhead". I can't see any missing fibreglass in the above pics. Do you mean the Gearbox tunnel cover ?


I have Zero experience of working with fibreglass, but when the guy doing my bodywork asked me, I specifically asked for "woven" matting to be used. We didn't discuss the resin type. I'll ask him.

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Exiled Brit in Germany with a Dart


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SYDSMITH
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Posted - 24 May 2013 : 12:52:27 PM Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote

I take it you are converting from LHD to RHD then?

SP bliss in sunny Aberystwyth
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SteveW62
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quote:
Originally posted by SYDSMITH

I take it you are converting from LHD to RHD then?

SP bliss in sunny Aberystwyth


Blimey !!
I never even thought of that one ! That's a job & a half.

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marcmears
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Yep - its not too bad - I have just spent 200 hours welding up a vw camper van - so a bit of fibreglass should not be tooooo hard!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by SYDSMITH

I take it you are converting from LHD to RHD then?

SP bliss in sunny Aberystwyth


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marcmears
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On Saturday I went to Tatton Classic car show and was hoping to see some Darts – well there was none, so a bit of a disappointment – on the upside I managed to get a Lucas glass washer bottle and top (not checked if it works yet) from the auto jumble at a good price.
Sunday I took the Bulkhead out.
Got the old one out in sections, and now in the process of grinding back all the edges to a point and cleaning up the entire circumference by 4 inch ready for the dry fitting of the new section and then glass fibre the lot in.
I have decided not to fit the whole section only the section that can be been seen in the engine bay.
Got most of it out using a reciprocating saw and drilling big holes at the corners – but after that it was in with the grinder – good job I was protected, dust like I’ve never seen; my garage looked like it had been in a snow blizzard.
I think I will put some penetrating oil on the door hinge bolts as they are easy to get at and take them off for a bit of a refurb.
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you have to leave the heater duct in !!
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spot the dust!!!
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Roy Mander
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Posted - 03 June 2013 : 1:50:19 PM Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote

Just wondering, what was wrong with the original bulkhead? didnt look to bad on your photos?
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SYDSMITH
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Roy, Marc did not respond to my prompt regarding the presumed conversion to right hand drive, the shell is left hand drive so I guess that's what is happening here.

Is that correct Marc?

He won't be the first to do it but it's a brave one and not for the feint hearted.






SP bliss in sunny Aberystwyth
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marcmears
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hi - yes its a lhd to rhd conversion - its not that bad - so far 4 hours to take out and clean all edges and 3 hours tonight to fit the new section in - and then may be on wed (have to take the wife out tomorrow) it should be in - so i recon may be in the region of 12 to 14 hours total
te]Originally posted by SYDSMITH

I take it you are converting from LHD to RHD then?

SP bliss in sunny Aberystwyth
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marcmears
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Last night was dedicated to getting the RHD bulkhead dry fitted.
Well as hard as I tried I could not get it in, in one. – So after much deliberation I cut it down the centre behind the heater box- thinking that there is not that much exposed.
After 3 hours of chopping, and grinding I have both half’s snugly in. – then had to take them out and grind both sides down to a point around the whole circumference – and produced another snow storm.
When I fix them in place on Wed – I will temporarily pop rivet 2 plates on the vertical and horizontal cut edges so that I get a level and close joint.
http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/Gezler/media/IMG_2332_zps348a5995.jpg.html
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marcmears
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So it was on with fixing in the bulkhead – but it is just so flimsy compared to the one I took out.
Is it just me, or are most of the things that are made now just rubbish., – the glass fibre on the new one is about 2mm thick and the old one is 5mm thick – so I had no option but to build up the new one – that meant I had to sand down the backs and lay 3 layers of 350gms glass fibre matting to it
I am working on the assumption that it’s going to be easier to do out of the car than when it’s in situ, however I will be applying plenty more glass fibre tonight when they go in over the whole area.
Also the new bulkhead did not come with the water channel escape channel for the heater intake, so that was cut off the old and glassed in the new.
I must say it’s a lot easier that welding and fabrication steel.
If anyone is interested I have been getting my glass fibre from a company called Allscott , they have technical department and have helped me decide what stuff to get, and also they seem to be ½ the price if the shops – I got mine 2 days after the order –
I went for 350gm chopped random fibre – it is easy to work with, I wonder if any thicker is harder to get wet and form?
The web site is
http://www.allscotltd.co.uk/
I am converting it to C spec and at the posts and cross brace are being made for me and should be ready this week but has anyone fixed the metal cross rail to the bulkhead to tie it all in – or is it best to leave it free standing, just fixed to the A post uprights?
The Daimler saloon engine and overdrive box arrived last week so I stripped most of it down apart from the block – took off what I needed, that needs to be attached to the Dart engine and sent off the clutch, dynamo and starter for reconditioning, the engine is seized as water had leaked down the inlet manifold, so they are soaking with penetrating oil.
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Edited by - marcmears on 11 June 2013 10:01:23 AM
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kent sutton
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Posted - 11 June 2013 : 11:18:25 PM Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote

Dear Marc
It's quite fascinating to watch the respective progress of yourself and Kevin's restoration projects and your collective approaches to solving your problems.
My SP is an early B with of course all the body stiffening; it, both the uprights and crossbracing, are both glassed into position to stiffing the structure.
If I may give you some advice I would not hesitate to applying glass to wherever you may think it is needed. If you think an area is lightly glassed and you feel it would benefit from an extra lamination or two, GLASS!!!!
I used 200 gram chopped mat which is very easy to use, the down side is that you need two laminations rather than the one that you are using as it is so easy to wet out.
My body was extremely good (unfortunately the car not me!!) but nevertheless I glassed and reinforced as and when I thought it needed it eg around the front grill (inside) under the front mudguard at the front, under the rear guards where there was only one lamination from manufacture.
The end result is quite a lot stiffer car on the road, not that it was that bad to start with, well worth the effort. The extra wieght is unoticeable but if you are concerned about the extra few kg involved, go on a diet!!!!
Yours
Kent

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That needs some serious editing before posting from the old forum. Very difficult to read and make sense of.
As I posted in the old forum, I would suggest holding off copying anything from the old forum to the new one until the calls for the old content to be copied are answered.
In a copy from the old forum to the new one, each posting would come across as a separate entry much like they are in the original and not all rolled into one continuous stream like this has done.
Also you probably should have posted this into the Test Forum rather than into the Daimler Forum.

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Ok - just had to see if it worked, it did but no pictures and as you said a bit of edit work - i have done a copy of my resto and put it on a free blog, so if i have time i can edit and re post on here.
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Well done Mark.

Your blog is so good it needs to be available on the new forum in full if possible to help all the guys like me attempting to follow in your excellent footsteps.

How is the XK 150 coming along?

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its not far away now, just coming out of paint this week
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Mark, that looks so good and along with the rest of your restoration will be a faulous car - well done.

I assume you will shortly be looking for a new project

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Got it in my garage - found a BMW 3.0 CSL not been run since 1980s and is all numbers matching.... i have a bmw 2002 tii and its the most fun drive car i have, i was telling someone about it and how much fun this car is and they told me that they know where a 3.0 BMW is - so went to look and could not resit it ( it was only 2 miles from my home in a barn coated in dust) - if its any where as good as the 2002 i will be happy, plus its nice to have a good hard top, quite a coll looking car as well - only 500 were made RHD so rare
Just got planning for my new garage - its going to be big, and heated..
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Quite different to its latest reincarnation
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Well done Mark,

Another classic to add to the collecton. I just wish I had the room to build another garage! I look forward to seeing your progress.

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