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Fresh Air Vent

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Re: Fresh Air Vent

Post by classiclife »

Hello Bob,

The photos I took are from the front looking in to the scuttle area and the angle precludes seeing the mesh grille but it is there.

As far as I am aware the only hinges are those I have flagged but before pinning my colours to the mast, I will check again tomorrow when back in the garage. If there are any additional photos which may be beneficial, I will upload these for you plus any explanation.

Regards.

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Re: Fresh Air Vent

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Hi

This thread has stimulated me to look at my vent flap etc. It worked but was very stiff and opening it was a "two thumbed" job - impossible whilst driving. Following the suggestions in this thread regarding lubrication it now operates more freely.

Contrary to indications by some posters my flap opens to 50mm (2") at the centre above the sealing rubber when operated by the flap lever in the cubby. It certainly looks wider open than some photos in previous posts

I have removed the mesh grille that looks in my case a bit coarser mesh than the original It was in a rusty condition. Given that a replacement is nearly £40 inc Vat and delivery I decided to refurb the original.

Having wire brushed this to bare metal could someone confirm that this should be painted in body colour or perhaps aluminium/silver?

The rubber seal is also showing signs of degradation but will try the Gummi Stift product linked in a post above. It is available on Amazon Prime.

HTH and TIA

H

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Re: Fresh Air Vent

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In response to the previous post, I haven't got mine off yet so I don't know what shape it is and how it is constructed but if it can be bent into the correct shape this type of 'expanded metal' is available from builder's merchants and is very cheap. Years ago we has a Suzuki Cappuccino and it had some of this at the rear, for aesthetic purposes and it was rusty. It wasn't a complicated shape but a left-over piece of metal begged from a local builder did the job and cost a pint in the pub.

As far as the rubber seal goes, my experience since owning the Daimler is that if you take half an hour shopping around you can get the same part for all sorts of different prices, and although you won't know the quality until it arrives this also applies to parts bought from the big suppliers - we are I am sure very grateful that many parts are available for our cars but often the quality and/or fit is poor. I got some trim a while ago from a supplier highly praised and recommended on various forums and although I was grateful to be 95% of the way there when it arrived it took a day to get it to fit (nearly) right.

I had an A35 van a few years ago and got a rubber seal for the roof vent for a few pounds (it's the same as a mini van) and two of these would, I am sure, do the job. Old Land Rovers have vents under the windscreen and these must also have rubber seals that are available? And there must be others. Just needs a bit of looking around, I'm sure.

And thanks again for all your help & suggestions - it won't beat me!

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KV8 wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:56 pm Having wire brushed this to bare metal could someone confirm that this should be painted in body colour or perhaps aluminium/silver?
Neither - it should be black.
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Re: Fresh Air Vent

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classiclife wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:10 am
KV8 wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:56 pm Having wire brushed this to bare metal could someone confirm that this should be painted in body colour or perhaps aluminium/silver?
Neither - it should be black.
Many thanks

H

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Re: Fresh Air Vent

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i attach a close-up photo of the intake of my 1964 saloon which is in its original state. It shows that the grill and the underside of the flap as well as the metalwork inside the grill are all painted the same colour as the car. The grill has a square mesh with 7 squares to the inch. The intake opens 50mm. There appears to be a spring which holds the flap in either the closed or open conditions. For this reason there has always been some resistance to operating the lever, which is not helped by it being in such and awkward position. I have never oiled the mechanism and ithe flap still closes and opens with a clonk.

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Re: Fresh Air Vent

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Very interesting to see your grille with square holes.

Mine is like the expanded metal builders use but it looks either original or a very good replacement, being nicely bent into the correct shape and with reinforcement where the screws are.

Having had another go at it, I can't turn the screws and the flap won't open enough for the grille to come out of the hole anyway. So it will have to be destroyed, which is a shame as now I've had a better look at it, it is actually in quite good condition and certainly quite saveable.

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Re: Fresh Air Vent

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Hello Bob,

Sorry I did not get back to you yesterday, but had the opportunity of a little (socially distanced) classic car get together.

Following on from the previous posts, John made a very good point (thanks John) about the internal flap that moves in sync with the air scuttle vent; I have added a photo with a blue line to show this exactly. As John says when the scuttle vent is in the open position the internal flap moves forward and deflects, best it can, any ingress of rain etc.

The other attached photos show the points where the scuttle opening rod is clipped to the body. Wherever it is clipped, that point will need lubricating.

The other photo shows my scuttle mesh in situ and is black. I imagine the PO installed this and very likely from DMG etc - as such I would say it is the correct spec for fitting requirements.

You mention the screw on the grill - can you get full access to that or is it a case that you cannot because the scuttle vent will not lift high enough ?? If you can access it fully, then copious amounts of Plus Gas will release it.

Can I confirm you are using a rust busting fluid such as Plus Gas and not WD40; which is a point I alluded to earlier in the thread ??

Finally, I said my vent opened 30-35mm - in fact I should have said it opens to a max of 40mm, but I have no doubt that the opening will be varied on many of these cars.

Hopefully the attached photos will assist further.

Best wishes.

Richard.
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Re: Fresh Air Vent

Post by classiclife »

And the scuttle gauze.
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Re: Fresh Air Vent

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classiclife wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:09 pm And the scuttle gauze.
Hi

Apologies but now somewhat puzzled.

Whether it is a camera distortion but your vent looks wider than mine???

Also mesh is of different texture to any I have seen?

Also your mesh looks to be chrome/bright plated not black as you recommended?

Are there perhaps differences in specification of this vent between my 66V8 and your 68V8250?

Please clarify

Thanks

H

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