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EL24 cylinderhead
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hopefully I can get a replacement for mine soon as I don't really want to go down the welded repair path,my car is in show condition apart from this one problem and will be glad to get her running again
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Magnificent, congratulations.
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Re: EL24 cylinderhead
On Wednesday I spoke to Serdi Uk. My cylinder head had had all core plugs removed and been in a tank to remove all rust from the waterways prior to pressure testing. On closer examination they found it had been repaired twice in the same place. They asked if I could go and look at it as they felt it wasn't suitable for refurbishment. Seeing that they are the experts and these heads are known to be problematic I didn't see the need for a 450 mile plus round trip! So I would be interested in a new head dependant on the price.
I have been a member of the DLOC since 1975, one of the main attractions being the widely different models encompassed, going back to the dawn of motoring. I hope the board see fit to offer funding for this project otherwise some worthy cars may be broken for spares or face the indignity of having totally inappropriate drivetrains fitted.
I have been a member of the DLOC since 1975, one of the main attractions being the widely different models encompassed, going back to the dawn of motoring. I hope the board see fit to offer funding for this project otherwise some worthy cars may be broken for spares or face the indignity of having totally inappropriate drivetrains fitted.
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I will be writing another article for the DM on this shortly, so that we can get maximum publicity and hopefully reach all those who might be needing a head, as not everyone uses the Forum.
As mentioned previously, the cost of a new head is likely to be in the region of £5-6K, depending on whether valves and springs are fitted etc. This is what a new alloy head for a Rolls Royce 20/25 costs, so we should expect it to be in the same area (although this is a new cast iron piece, not alloy).
It would be useful if those expressing interest so far could now confirm to me that they would like to buy a head, so that we can start to get numbers together.
Mark
As mentioned previously, the cost of a new head is likely to be in the region of £5-6K, depending on whether valves and springs are fitted etc. This is what a new alloy head for a Rolls Royce 20/25 costs, so we should expect it to be in the same area (although this is a new cast iron piece, not alloy).
It would be useful if those expressing interest so far could now confirm to me that they would like to buy a head, so that we can start to get numbers together.
Mark
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Mark I think you estimated that there were around eighty El24s know to you.
I fear that our cars could now be on the road or should I say off the road going
nowhere in increasing numbers if vital parts are prohibitive in cost to their owners.
5/6K RR head for a car that will fetch 30/40K is perhaps value for this type of car.
Our Daimlers struggle to sell for anything near this and as seen recently an El24
unsold at Leslie's even although it was comparable with a 20/25 of same spec.
The EL24 is an ideal wedding car but with the decline in this market now means
that there is not a way of helping out with the running costs as there once was.
It is a serious commitment for owners to make and I hope you can advance this
but at more modest costs!
Ron.
I fear that our cars could now be on the road or should I say off the road going
nowhere in increasing numbers if vital parts are prohibitive in cost to their owners.
5/6K RR head for a car that will fetch 30/40K is perhaps value for this type of car.
Our Daimlers struggle to sell for anything near this and as seen recently an El24
unsold at Leslie's even although it was comparable with a 20/25 of same spec.
The EL24 is an ideal wedding car but with the decline in this market now means
that there is not a way of helping out with the running costs as there once was.
It is a serious commitment for owners to make and I hope you can advance this
but at more modest costs!
Ron.
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Re: EL24 cylinderhead
Ron,
This is the point I was making about numbers earlier on, which does not seem to have been understood. I know of about 80 odd cars, in as much as I know where they are and in what state. But only 25 or so are actually running, and these are the cars I feel are likely to need a cylinder head at some point. Casting new heads for an MGB is easy, they made around 500,000 of them so there are plenty of customers. Even with the RR 20/25, there were 3,827 20/25s produced of which over 70% are still on the road today, so there is a decent base to spread the costs.
Casting a head for an EL24 costs as much as that for a 20/25 if doing it from scratch. Yet there are very few owners out there who want or need a head, and even fewer prepared to pay what it costs. To be clear, Claudio and John Naish, who have financed this together, need to sell around 6 heads at the price indicated just to break even. The price does not include any profit, nor does it even account for the time spent by either Claudio or John on this. I know of around 6 or so owners in need of a head. Will they be prepared to buy a new one?
I understand that our cars are apparently not worth much, and I do understand that £5-6K is a lot of money. But these are the facts; there is no magic way for me to make it happen but at more modest cost, not unless someone discovers a long lost container of NOS heads somewhere. It is an unfortunate fact of life that owning a car built in small numbers means that some spares can be difficult to find, and this is one of those occasions. In my view John and Claudio are to be congratulated on changing the situation so that owners who need a new cylinder head for their cars now have the opportunity to buy one. It must be for those individual owners now to decide what to do.
Believe me, as a prospective buyer I would love to be paying less, but I don't think it is realistic. Happy to discuss further.
Mark
This is the point I was making about numbers earlier on, which does not seem to have been understood. I know of about 80 odd cars, in as much as I know where they are and in what state. But only 25 or so are actually running, and these are the cars I feel are likely to need a cylinder head at some point. Casting new heads for an MGB is easy, they made around 500,000 of them so there are plenty of customers. Even with the RR 20/25, there were 3,827 20/25s produced of which over 70% are still on the road today, so there is a decent base to spread the costs.
Casting a head for an EL24 costs as much as that for a 20/25 if doing it from scratch. Yet there are very few owners out there who want or need a head, and even fewer prepared to pay what it costs. To be clear, Claudio and John Naish, who have financed this together, need to sell around 6 heads at the price indicated just to break even. The price does not include any profit, nor does it even account for the time spent by either Claudio or John on this. I know of around 6 or so owners in need of a head. Will they be prepared to buy a new one?
I understand that our cars are apparently not worth much, and I do understand that £5-6K is a lot of money. But these are the facts; there is no magic way for me to make it happen but at more modest cost, not unless someone discovers a long lost container of NOS heads somewhere. It is an unfortunate fact of life that owning a car built in small numbers means that some spares can be difficult to find, and this is one of those occasions. In my view John and Claudio are to be congratulated on changing the situation so that owners who need a new cylinder head for their cars now have the opportunity to buy one. It must be for those individual owners now to decide what to do.
Believe me, as a prospective buyer I would love to be paying less, but I don't think it is realistic. Happy to discuss further.
Mark
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Thanks Mark, so it looks like 5/6k per unit for us that would be in need off as it stands at present.
I may have missed earlier posts but I thought that Claudio was on his own on this project.
Thank you for trying to progress and coordinate this for all EL 24 owners and I hope others may
contribute their thoughts and any useful suggestions that could be helpful.
Ron.
I may have missed earlier posts but I thought that Claudio was on his own on this project.
Thank you for trying to progress and coordinate this for all EL 24 owners and I hope others may
contribute their thoughts and any useful suggestions that could be helpful.
Ron.
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Re: EL24 cylinderhead
Ron,
Yes, that's where it stands at the moment. I should have been clear earlier and in my articles that Claudio has been assisted throughout by John Naish, a Club member who owns a rare EL24 bodied by Carlton as a drophead tourer (I wrote an article on it some time ago). John has part financed the venture and supplied the head from his own car which is damaged beyond repair, and was then used to generate the 3D patterns for the new heads. I met both Claudio and John last week, appropriately enough at Brooklands, to discuss the project. The new head is now 'resting' which is required for some time before it can be machined. Valves and springs will then be fitted (Claudio believes valves from a Ford Escort will be right), then it will be fitted on Claudio's car and tested in Germany. All being well this should be done by Christmas. New heads should therefore be available from next year, subject to any further alteration to the design to accommodate any issues found in testing.
Mark
Yes, that's where it stands at the moment. I should have been clear earlier and in my articles that Claudio has been assisted throughout by John Naish, a Club member who owns a rare EL24 bodied by Carlton as a drophead tourer (I wrote an article on it some time ago). John has part financed the venture and supplied the head from his own car which is damaged beyond repair, and was then used to generate the 3D patterns for the new heads. I met both Claudio and John last week, appropriately enough at Brooklands, to discuss the project. The new head is now 'resting' which is required for some time before it can be machined. Valves and springs will then be fitted (Claudio believes valves from a Ford Escort will be right), then it will be fitted on Claudio's car and tested in Germany. All being well this should be done by Christmas. New heads should therefore be available from next year, subject to any further alteration to the design to accommodate any issues found in testing.
Mark
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Thanks for that Mark, let us all hope that the project will work out just fine.
Ron
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Re: EL24 cylinderhead
Heads being available will be great. The price might sound high buy with low volume products like the head for the EL24 it is actually low.
The cost of setting up to set is the same as the RR head but the RR supplier will be ordering in larger numbers which will reduce the proportion of set up cost and time per head produced.
It takes the same amount of time to set up a cnc milling machine to machine 1 as it does to machine 10.
I also know that the thought of 5/6K on a head isn't nice but a car without an engine is useless and one with the wrong engine just isn't the same. Yes a modern engine could be cheaper and more efficient and reliable but it won't give you many smiles per gallon.
The cost of setting up to set is the same as the RR head but the RR supplier will be ordering in larger numbers which will reduce the proportion of set up cost and time per head produced.
It takes the same amount of time to set up a cnc milling machine to machine 1 as it does to machine 10.
I also know that the thought of 5/6K on a head isn't nice but a car without an engine is useless and one with the wrong engine just isn't the same. Yes a modern engine could be cheaper and more efficient and reliable but it won't give you many smiles per gallon.