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Fancy a Front Roll Bar? here's how

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DaveM
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Fancy a Front Roll Bar? here's how

Post by DaveM »

Hi All,

Thought I'd post some info on how you can fit a front anti-roll bar through the chassis cross rail, thereby not losing any under-body ground clearance. I've found that the roll-bar makes a significant difference in the road holding characteristics of the front end. The mod' is easily knocked up in the garage or with the help of a friendly engineering firm, you just need to confirm a few dimensions for them which have been highlighted in the attached drawings.

Enjoy - Dave
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Nice one

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Post by Ursa major »

Thanks for this, Dave. It is something I have been trying to design myself, so to have it done for me it’s great.

A couple of questions, if I may:

I cannot find the Peugeot part number on the Internet at all; is it correct? Did you source the bar from a breaker?

In the drawings’ notes, I see that to describe the bar as magnesium. Is this really so?! Do you have the specification of steel that you used or that is commonly used? I believe EN24T is suitable but would like confirmation from somewhere.

Many thanks for your time and for a nice piece of work,

With best wishes,

Simon

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Hi Simon,

Thanks for you comments much appreciated, nice to get some feedback

I've double checked my records and can confirm the bar was advertised as "Peugeot 405 19mm rear anti-roll bar 517065 Estate stabiliser model Mi 16". I've tried finding it online this morning, and like you, can't find a reference for it anywhere on the web, strange indeed!!

I did try to manufacture a bar myself using EN47 silicone-manganese spring steel bar of 19mm diameter, bought a 1.5mtr length for £10 but as mentioned the final heat treatment was £80 so I gave up.

In the end I just looked at all the roll (Sway, ARB, Stabiliser) bars available on eBay and just sent a message to the seller asking if the bar was over 900mm long and hence ended up with the Peugeot bar for £12. If your close to a local scrap yard (remember the days you could just go to one with your toolbox, pay for a door handle and walk out with a gearbox - such good memories) might be worth digging around or go the eBay route and see what comes up. Now you have the dimensions, I didn't at the time, there as several places that make custom bars but don't think it would be that cheap.

Looking at my set up and whilst taking some measurement for the drawings, I would make a modification in so far as the two rose joints could do the a 1/2" UNF half thickness lock nut installed as they have a little too much free movement between them if not locked.

If I can be of anymore assistance just shout

Cheers Dave

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Nice job Dave.
I have been looking at roll bar on mine and interestingly have ended up with something quite similar.
About only difference is I'm going to use the pinch bolt to do both retain the arm and clamp.
Originally I was going to use tube close to bore size of cross tube, but quite alot of fooling around to source tubing and attaching a stub end into it.
I'm intending to use nice short fixed length links from a Subaru Legacy. I drive one of these as daily driver and had to replace a slightly worn one and noted they would work a treat for Daimler
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Funnily enough my original design was set up to use the pinch bolt for clamping and retaining, however in-service I didn't feel it was the best solution.

The connection between the arm and the square end of the roll bar is great for torsional load, ie; it handles the up/down forces but it's not great as a clamping force stopping axial movement. I had the bolt running through a slot in the drive square (similar to a steering column UJ) with the idea that if it came loose the slot/bolt would still hold it in place, unfortunately during construction I made the bolt hole a fraction too big and probably a little too far back so the bolt only just interfered with the shaft which I wasn’t happy with. Considering the square drive is only 13mm across the flats, removing any material for a bolt slot could potentially leave a fracture point as its under significant load (although acceptable) for its size.

I had thought of pinning straight through the square end but again thought any hole through it would lead to it shearing off. The way I fixed it, with what I had, was to do a typical bolt through the interface faces as seen in the picture. In the new design I extend the shaft by another 15 mm and put M12 threads on the end with the addition of lock nuts thereby leaving the bolt and nut to do independent jobs.

Nice drawings you've done there
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