Morning all
Just thinking about getting ‘Doris’ ready for the summer and she needs some tyres, currently on 600x16 crossplies however am thinking about radials, anyone running a consort on these and what are they like?
Also what is the equivalent size to 600x16 in for radial tyres?
Thanks
Graham
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Re: Tyres
I now run my Consort on Michelin Taxi tyres which were about £80 each.
They seem OK to me. There is a Michelin Classic tyre which is closer to the exact tyre size but at around £200 each a big expense especially if you consider that modern thinking is to swap tyres every 5 years or so.
The Taxi tyre is 175 75 16 but the exact match should be 175 80 16.
They seem OK to me. There is a Michelin Classic tyre which is closer to the exact tyre size but at around £200 each a big expense especially if you consider that modern thinking is to swap tyres every 5 years or so.
The Taxi tyre is 175 75 16 but the exact match should be 175 80 16.
Re: Tyres
Also look at Blockley tyres. They do a 600 x 16 crossply and a 185 r 16 radial, very close in size to each other. I think that would be better than taxi tyres! The crossply has an overall width of 7.5" and diameter of 28" versus 7.4" and 27.6" for the radial. Perceived wisdom is tyres should be replaced after 10 years. Blockleys come with a money back guarantee if not satisfied after 1,000 miles! (so it says on their website).
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Re: Tyres
185 mm wide is considerably bigger than the Avon cross ply tyres I replaced. The cross ply tyre only had about 125 mm contact with the road although the are wider near the rim.
185 wide would be wider than the rim and about 60 mm wider at the tread.
I would be tempted to see you have clearance before fitting.
Blockley tyres seem popular at the moment.
I believe I was told by a Caravan club member that they weren’t fully covered if there van had tyres over 5 years old fitted.
10 years I believe to be reasonable as long as you take care of your tyres and there isn’t any cracking.
185 wide would be wider than the rim and about 60 mm wider at the tread.
I would be tempted to see you have clearance before fitting.
Blockley tyres seem popular at the moment.
I believe I was told by a Caravan club member that they weren’t fully covered if there van had tyres over 5 years old fitted.
10 years I believe to be reasonable as long as you take care of your tyres and there isn’t any cracking.
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Re: Tyres
I know I'm going to get a rap in the mouth for saying this, but radial ply tyres are not suitable for your Consort, or indeed any Daimler model of that vintage by virtue of the datum roll axis being too high.
The result is that radials are absolutely fine for the car and will wear better than crossply and give a supple ride by virtue of their more plyable sidewalls - but there in lies the problem!!
Beacause the sidewalls are more plyable they generate and can tolerate a greater slip-angle (the angle between the direction the wheel is pointing and the direction the tread contact patch is pointing when you steer. So if you corner hard or have to swerve, especially in the wet, the slip angle can become so great with radials that suddenly with the sidewalls so deformed by the slip angle the tyre tread in contact with the road surface breaks grip and induce massive oversteer to the point where the car car literally spin out of control.
You could ask a certain racing driver for confirmation had he not been killed on the Hogs Back 62 years ago.
The result is that radials are absolutely fine for the car and will wear better than crossply and give a supple ride by virtue of their more plyable sidewalls - but there in lies the problem!!
Beacause the sidewalls are more plyable they generate and can tolerate a greater slip-angle (the angle between the direction the wheel is pointing and the direction the tread contact patch is pointing when you steer. So if you corner hard or have to swerve, especially in the wet, the slip angle can become so great with radials that suddenly with the sidewalls so deformed by the slip angle the tyre tread in contact with the road surface breaks grip and induce massive oversteer to the point where the car car literally spin out of control.
You could ask a certain racing driver for confirmation had he not been killed on the Hogs Back 62 years ago.
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Re: Tyres
I'd second Chris R's recommendation of Blockley, got a set on my car and they are excellent. The 600x16 5 stud pattern might look a bit vintage though.
Also agree with Stan on radials v crossplies; a well maintained car with good steering and suspension should be fine on original crossplies, but sadly that doesn't take into account the appalling state of most roads in this country. Radials are better in that they don't tramline so much, but they do need to be run at greater pressures than the crossply OE to be safe and to counter the effect Stan mentions. If the pressures are right and sir doesn't drive like a hooligan (surely no one drives a Daimler like that?) then sir should be OK. Sadly Mike Hawthorn drove a jag, and wasn't known to hang back.
Here's a link that might help:
http://www.northhantstyres.com/vintage- ... 600-16.php
I have heard good reports of the Stahl Radials, but they are expensive. If all else fails, TT Roadmasters at £90+VAT don't sound too bad?
Mark
Also agree with Stan on radials v crossplies; a well maintained car with good steering and suspension should be fine on original crossplies, but sadly that doesn't take into account the appalling state of most roads in this country. Radials are better in that they don't tramline so much, but they do need to be run at greater pressures than the crossply OE to be safe and to counter the effect Stan mentions. If the pressures are right and sir doesn't drive like a hooligan (surely no one drives a Daimler like that?) then sir should be OK. Sadly Mike Hawthorn drove a jag, and wasn't known to hang back.
Here's a link that might help:
http://www.northhantstyres.com/vintage- ... 600-16.php
I have heard good reports of the Stahl Radials, but they are expensive. If all else fails, TT Roadmasters at £90+VAT don't sound too bad?
Mark
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Re: Tyres
Hi,
I have run my Special Sports on these Coker Vintage Radials for years and years and cannot fault them:
http://antiquetyresonline.com.au/tyres/ ... -category/
The range and sizes are on the link above. Expensive, yes but are a wonderful blend of radial grip and cross ply appearance and dimension.
Much better than the cross plys I used to have and vastly better than a set of Michelins I put on the car once.
They also fit the spare wheel compartment.
Cheers
Peter Grant
I have run my Special Sports on these Coker Vintage Radials for years and years and cannot fault them:
http://antiquetyresonline.com.au/tyres/ ... -category/
The range and sizes are on the link above. Expensive, yes but are a wonderful blend of radial grip and cross ply appearance and dimension.
Much better than the cross plys I used to have and vastly better than a set of Michelins I put on the car once.
They also fit the spare wheel compartment.
Cheers
Peter Grant
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Re: Tyres
Hi Graham,
Although you are probably aware, there are some cheaper "van" tyres on the market which you should avoid, as they are of a heavier ply rating and with give a hard ride.
Although you are probably aware, there are some cheaper "van" tyres on the market which you should avoid, as they are of a heavier ply rating and with give a hard ride.
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Re: Tyres
I have Maxxis Taxi tyres on my DB18 and they are a massive improvement over the Avon crossplies I had on. Steering especially improved. I run them at 45psi.
I note Stan's reservations though and if you can afford them, the Blockley's seem to be the business.
I note Stan's reservations though and if you can afford them, the Blockley's seem to be the business.
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DB18 1949 LCV522 (Yes that one with the P100s)